On Thursday, November 5, Brian Li (co-founder and CEO, Revenue Vessel) joined Trenton Chen (co-founder and CEO, GoFreight) to answer one question: if you’re a forwarder with a small sales team (or none at all) how do you start winning new customers?
Brian joined Flexport straight out of college. He moved shipments and did data entry, then went on to build much of Flexport’s outbound sales motion, which he estimates generated about 90% of the company’s revenue. Today, Revenue Vessel helps freight forwarders, customs brokers and other logistics companies with sales.
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Outbound sales means sending an email, making a phone call or sending a LinkedIn message to someone who doesn’t know you yet. Brian’s view is blunt: if referrals and inbound leads aren’t keeping you busy, there’s no other way to grow. Cold email and calling are harder than they used to be, but they still work if you put in the effort.
When a rep was struggling at Flexport, managers checked activity first. The expectation was 50 dials a day (today it’s closer to 100). The struggling rep was usually making about 10.
The channels also feed each other. Before a trade show, Flexport’s inside sales team went through the attendee list by territory and called prospects to book meetings ahead of time. Webinars worked the same way.
Calling takes an hour or two of your day. Whether that time counts depends on having enough people to call. “If you don’t have a list of 50 people, you’re not serious about doing cold calls,” Brian said. If 50 feels like a lot, start with 20. The point is to build the habit.
When Brian started Revenue Vessel, he built a list of 50 companies every evening and scheduled the next day’s emails before bed.
Brian called this an underrated play: past customers. Go into your freight management system, find the shippers who last quoted or shipped with you years ago, and call them. They already know who you are, so you skip the hardest part of a cold call. Trenton suggested an easy opener: remind them when you last shipped for them, then ask what they need now.
If you can pick only one channel, pick the phone. In Brian’s experience, about 70% of Flexport’s meetings were set over the phone. Here’s his rough math:
Use them together. Send the emails, see who opened them, and call those people first. They’ll recognize your name. Brian calls mobile numbers rather than going through the front desk.
Write the emails yourself. Keep them under 100 words, with one clear reason your service fits the shipper. Don’t use AI for this. Inboxes are full of AI-written email, and thinking hard about the message is what gets replies.
Brian scores every new rep’s calls on these four parts. By the end of their first week, he wants each part at 8 out of 10 or better.
Skip the prep and you might still set a meeting, but there’s a good chance the prospect won’t show up.
Brian’s reason for doing everything manually is that it shows you what works. If you send 10,000 automated emails and get zero replies, you can’t tell whether the list, the subject line or the message was the problem. When you work by hand, you can change one thing at a time. Trenton’s rule of thumb: if few people open your emails, fix the subject line. If people open but don’t reply, fix the message.
Then keep going. When Brian’s calendar filled up, he stopped prospecting, and his pipeline dried up. Outreach isn’t a project you finish.
Don’t wait until everything looks polished, either. Brian sent his first Revenue Vessel emails before the company even had a website. One prospect said it looked like something his mom would write. People replied anyway, because the email was about their job.
“Getting started is an art, scaling is a science,” Brian said. Once outreach works by hand, tools can take over parts of it: AI to build lists, software to send email sequences, and power dialers that call several numbers at once.
Brian’s test: hire when outreach brings in enough business to pay a salary. Even then, expect to break even or lose money at first. Freight accounts take time to close, and shipments ramp up slowly after that. For a benchmark, a full-time inside sales rep at Flexport set about 10 meetings a month.
Trenton has invited Brian back to cover the next stage: hiring, measuring and coaching a sales team.
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